You will search Kael’s collected work in vain for a theory, a system, or even a consistent set of principles.—A.O. Scott, “Mad About Her: Pauline Kael, Loved and Loathed” (with Manohla Dargis), The New York Times, October 14, 2011
Kael’s attraction to the art of the mass audience—the audience that includes our family and our neighbors—is about as far as you can get from Sontag’s prostration before the exalted and the disaffection from the mass audience it entails. Kael was wary of anything as humorless as exaltation. She was wary of anyone who took himself too seriously—such as Sontag’s adored Bresson, whom she charged with “inhuman pride.”—Craig Seligman, Sontag and Kael: Opposites Attract Me, Counterpoint, 2004
Bloggers and the writers who turn out well-crafted pieces on their own Web sites are free to write what they want. The best of them, such as Dennis Cozzalio at Sergio Leone and the Infield Fly Rule or Kim Morgan at Sunset Gun or Farran Nehme Smith at The Self-Styled Siren, give public voice to the way movies function as private obsession. Their film knowledge is broad and deep, but they wear that knowledge lightly. They understand that the true appreciation of any art begins in pleasure (and not in the “work” of watching movies). To read them is to read people grounded in the sensual response to movies, in what the presence or look of a certain star, or the way a shot is lit stirs in them. —Charles Taylor, “The Problem With Film Criticism,” Dissent, Fall 2011 (available on the internet to subscribers only)
Reading long, detailed arguments about a difference of millimeters in the aspect ratio of a new Blu-Ray disc, the only shrinking millimeters I’m aware of are those of my open eyes narrowing.— Taylor, Dissent
When the writer Dan Kois advanced the heretical notion in the New York Times that he couldn’t pretend to enjoy movies he found boring, the reaction he got made it seem as if he had said movies could never deviate from convention and audiences should never try anything new. The film historian David Bordwell even used the word “philistinism.”—Taylor, Dissent
In college, a friend demanded to know what kind of idiot I was that I hadn’t yet watched Tarkovsky’s “Solaris.” “It’s so boring,” he said with evident awe. “You have to watch it, but you won’t get it.”
He was right: I had to watch it, and I didn’t get it. I had to watch it — on a laserdisc in the university library — because the intimation that there was a film that connoisseurs knew that I’d never heard of was too much to bear. I didn’t get it because its mesmerizing pace was so far removed from my cinematic metabolism that several times during its 165 minutes, I awoke in a panic, only to find that the same thing was happening onscreen as was happening when I closed my eyes. (Seas roiling; Russians brooding.) After I left the library, my friend asked me what I thought. “That was amazing,” I said. When he asked me what part I liked the best, I picked the five-minute sequence of a car driving down a highway, because it seemed the most boring. He nodded his approval. —Dan Kois, “Eating Your Cultural Vegetables,” The New York Times Magazine, April 29, 2011
The reaction to Kois was a sustained example of bullying masked as erudition.—Taylor, Dissent
What is interesting is the impression of a giddy, widespread abdiction of all time-consuming enterprises, from building an argument to watching a movie, and the accompanying implication that anything beyond an immediate gut-level response is suspect. Sometimes the abdication and the uses to which it is put are “market driven,” sometimes angst-ridden, sometimes politically cunning, and sometimes, as in Kois’s case, gleefully nonchalant. “My taste stubbornly remains my taste,” writes Kois as a summary statement: this is not film criticism, but rather its gleeful renunciation.—Kent Jones, “That was SO THEN, This is TOTALLY NOW,” Film Comment, September/October 2011 (Print only)
[Branded To Kill is] also a movie of rain and shadows, and Mr. Suzuki’s use of angular, minimalist 20th-century-modern interiors to convey blankness and isolation makes you wonder why anyone ever consented to be bored by Michelangelo Antonioni’s coffee-table anomie. —Charles Taylor, “New DVDs To Warm Your Toes By,” The New York Times, October 28, 2011
Images from Blow-Up (with Jeff Beck, 1966), Zabriskie Point (with Daria Halprin, 1970), The Passenger (with Maria Schneider, 1975) and Identification of a Woman (1982), directed by Michelangelo Antonioni.
I haven't been following the discussion all that closely, but I'd be surprised if anyone tried to suggest that moviegoers change throughout their lives, and the things they once "failed" to get, can still be gotten.
I am not at a place where I find Antonioni and Tarkovsky oblique, inaccessible, or cryptic - but I can remember when I did, and it wasn't pleasant. So I sympathize with the idea that someone can watch their films and come away thinking, "that was difficult," which for lots of folks mutates into "that sucked."
But I'm past that now, and to be honest, if I can get past that stage, anyone can. 'Cuz I'm as dumb as a box of rocks.
That's why I tend to give this whole controversy a wide berth. Nothing about people surprises me, after working the jobs that I've worked. Given the choice between attaining a result that will satisfy them, or having their current status confirmed as right and correct, most folks will choose the latter. So hey, if Kois doesn't want to buy SOLARIS, I just think of that magic word they taught us when I was trying to sell cars: "Next!"
Posted by: Jaime | November 01, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Thought provoking post, Glenn. I'm still digesting it, but to paraphrase Mr. Taylor—quoted here both complimentarily and critically, and rightly so, it seems to me—my appreciation of this post begins in pleasure. The Zabriskie stills made me laugh, but I really dig your including the still from Identification of a Woman. Some of us are still suckers for that ole "coffee table" Antoniennui. I am acquainted with Mr. Taylor—whose work I respect, even if I often disagree with him, as I do about Kois—and I have tried to argue Michelangelo's cause before him. To no avail.
Posted by: bstrong | November 01, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Does anyone know where I can find a physical copy of "Dissent"? I've tried a couple of Barnes & Noble stores, but have had no luck. I'll have more to say on Glenn's post after I've read Taylor's piece (and the Kael biography, which I'm halfway through).
Posted by: lipranzer | November 01, 2011 at 12:28 PM
That's a whole 'nother Jaime up there with the 1st comment - yet, eerily enough, quite in sync with my own views. I myself did narrow and roll my eyes WRT the aspect-ratio wars, given my experience with the physical realities of televisions (in the CRT days and flatscreens of both sorts) and the architectural facts of movie theaters wherein, unlike tweaked-to-the-nth degree screening rooms, most people get to watch films.
Posted by: Jaime | November 01, 2011 at 12:35 PM
Christ, I was hoping this debate would die out by now - I'll just say that Taylor's remark about Antonioni is film "criticism" at its worst, a cheap putdown that does the critic a huge disservice rather than adding anything to the discussion. The best film critics don't just espouse their own personal tastes - they actually help the reader understand films better, especially the ones that lie outside of a person's comfort zone, the ones that take on challenging viewpoints or take you to unfamiliar territory. Cheap dismissals like that just make a writer look thick and unwilling to look beyond what they know.
And Glenn should be commended on his eloquence (excellent choice of shots).
Posted by: MW | November 01, 2011 at 12:44 PM
Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?
[brainsnap]
Posted by: Jaime | November 01, 2011 at 12:45 PM
- A Viet Cong rat attacks. Obviously, he intends to bring my breakfast under the influence of Communism.-
Gus Hasford RIP
Posted by: Jaime | November 01, 2011 at 12:54 PM
There are perils to both sides of this argument: on one hand, one risks liking the movies they are supposed to like and talking about them the way one is supposed to talk about them; on the other, one risks abandoning the worthy and honourable project of expanding one's taste. My taste remains my taste as well, Mr. Kois, but that taste is growing more inclusive as I watch ever more widely. I just have to find the right connective tissue. I may not be able to jump from The Dark Knight to There Will Be Blood, but I may get there via, in order, Batman Begins, Blade Runner, Die Hard, L.A. Confidential, City of God, American Psycho, A Clockwork Orange, Animal Kingdom, and No Country For Old Men - and that would be MY path only. Yours?
Posted by: Keith | November 01, 2011 at 01:01 PM
The juxtaposition of the quote excerpts and screen captures forms the kind of dialectic I have come to love and expect from THIS foo-foo film site. Now, Glenn, could you please turn your attention to the new controversy brewing on whether home viewing is "cinematic" (Brody vs. Lane @ The New Yorker)?
Posted by: Paul | November 01, 2011 at 02:48 PM
To call Dan Kois a Philisitine is not to bully him. He's not a gay teenager.
He's simply a Philistine.
Kael was also a Philistine, but of a far more clever variety as I have indicated here --
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-09/books/bk-48087_1_pauline-kael-cowboy-boots-new-yorker
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-09/books/bk-48087_1_pauline-kael-cowboy-boots-new-yorker/2
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-09/books/bk-48087_1_pauline-kael-cowboy-boots-new-yorker/3
Posted by: David Ehrenstein | November 01, 2011 at 03:05 PM
There are a couple things in Charley's article that don't sit right with me. (Exhibit A: "It doesn’t matter whether you’re defending 'The Dark Knight' or 'The Tree of Life' if you declare the people who don’t share your enthusiasm incapable of appreciating movies." Coming from one of the most opinionated critics around--cf. that Antonioni quote--that takes some real balls.) And I can also see how Glenn might take the line about aspect ratios personally (though God knows there are plenty of other sites that worry about ARs, too). But Taylor's larger point--that the "democratizing" effects of the Internet haven't been all that great for either our society or our culture--well, *that* I'd have a hard time arguing with. Without the net and Twitter to keep it alive, Sarah Palin's flirtation with fame would've sputtered out two years ago. Michelle Bachmann? We may never have even heard of her. And in film it's been nothing short of napalm. For every person who dials up the Siren every day, a hundred are checking out Harry Knowles every hour. I don't know about y'all, but that pretty much bums me out.
Posted by: Tom Block | November 01, 2011 at 03:16 PM
Points well taken, Mr. Block. As some of my readers might recall, I was once a print guy, and nobody gags harder on the cheerful Jeff Jarvis "everyone's a critic" formulation than I did and do. But let's get real for a second. Charley—I too consider him a friend, and I hope to remain one, despite this airing of substantial differences—knows exactly who he is and exactly what he's doing. While I don't take his swipe at aspect ratio discussions personally as such, I truly doubt that he had the likes of Harry Knowles in his sights when he wrote the piece. "Leave Britney alone!" (substitute "Dan Kois" for "Britney" here) followed by "When I slap Antonioni and his admirers, you'll take it and like it" are essential components of his critical platform, I believe. Because he is convinced, as Kael was, that his taste is, finally, correct.
Posted by: Glenn Kenny | November 01, 2011 at 03:34 PM
Kois and his ilk would be a lot more palatable if they came up with gags as funny as labeling the third Zabriskie Point photo "Blow up".
Posted by: Bruce Reid | November 01, 2011 at 04:48 PM
Harry Knowles followers have no interest in the cinema whatsoever.
They're Fanboys looking for a "coolness" fix. Nothing more.
The Siren doesn't offer that. She's serious about the cinema -- as are you Glenn.
Posted by: David Ehrenstein | November 01, 2011 at 04:49 PM
word. up.
Posted by: Ryland Walker Knight | November 01, 2011 at 05:33 PM
Well, I think ZABRISKIE POINT is pretty funny on its own. Everyone remembers the shooting of the cop, the orgy, the exploding house - maybe even Rod Taylor. What few remember, what struck me when I saw it - was how loose and funny and sexy it was, almost entirely free of the weight and obfuscation MA's naysayers seem to think defines his career in toto.
Posted by: Jaime | November 01, 2011 at 05:36 PM
Sort of unrelated to the main point, but that last Charles Taylor quote comes from a "Holiday DVD" column (“New DVDs To Warm Your Toes By,”) of titles more than a month away from release. It appears that he doesn't even have the discs yet to "review" - so it's just a sort of heads up? A little bizarre when most readers interested in the films he is writing about would want to know if the discs are any good - particularly something like Nothing Sacred where prior (publc domain) releases have pretty much sucked. Here's hoping someone like Dave Kehr writes about the acutal discs.
Posted by: skelly | November 01, 2011 at 06:16 PM
When I was first discovering his work, I absolutely "consented to be bored by Michelangelo Antonioni," and quite often was. I was also exhilarated. L'Avventura, the first of his I saw, stayed with me for weeks, even though the experience of watching it was, I'll admit, more than a little tedious. I watched it again, and fell totally in love with it. Now he's one of my absolute favorite directors.
Also, Zabriskie Point is a blast. Outside of Blow-Up, it's probably Antonioni's most frequently eye-catching movie (and not just because of his subject matter, though hey, a plane like that is any director's gift, among the film's other points of interest), it's gleefully anti-authoritarian, pointedly provocative, and totally free-wheeling. If you haven't been told what happens in the film, you'd NEVER guess what happens next. Not an instant mark of quality, certainly, but there, Mr. Taylor, is a bit of the pleasure I take in art house cinema.
Posted by: Scott Nye | November 01, 2011 at 06:50 PM
@ Skelly: You ask: "It appears that he doesn't even have the discs yet to 'review' - so it's just a sort of heads up?" So it would appear, unless preview discs have been made available awfully early. Given it's the Times, that's not out of the question. Given what I know about DVD manufacture relative to release date, it's highly unlikely. In which case, you know, the write-up is a cherry gig for someone who doesn't give a fuck about aspect ratios.
Posted by: Glenn Kenny | November 01, 2011 at 06:54 PM
"It doesn’t matter whether you’re defending 'The Dark Knight' or 'The Tree of Life' if you declare the people who don’t share your enthusiasm incapable of appreciating movies."
Did Taylor, of all people, really say this? I'm going by memory here, but he was always pulling this card out during his Salon days. If I recall correctly, I think that people who disliked Mission to Mars and The Dreamers were utterly incapable of enjoying cinema. Or they didn't understand the reason for cinema. Or something like that. Taylor has written some great pieces that stuck with me--his Beau Travail review was one of my favorites--but this is one of his worst habits. I'm glad to see that he's still writing, though. Does he have a regular column somewhere?
Posted by: Joel | November 01, 2011 at 07:02 PM
For a brief moment I thought the Canadian philosopher Charles Taylor had weighed in on these film-critical catfights. It would be bad for an intellectual of that stature to be wrong about Johann Gottfried Herder's philosophy of language AND Antonioni (while also calling David Bordwell a bully).
Posted by: Not David Bordwell | November 01, 2011 at 09:46 PM
NDB: I wouldn't mind hearing what former Liberian dictator Charles Taylor--or maybe popular style of Converse, Chuck Taylor--thinks about Dan Kois' article. Perhaps they are also sick of the elites telling them to eat their cultural vegetables.
Posted by: Joel | November 01, 2011 at 10:01 PM
I rarely comment on any blog/website, but I feel compelled. I loved this. It was akin to comics, the juxtaposition of text and image creates meaning. Thank you.
Posted by: Adam | November 01, 2011 at 11:21 PM
Glenn's response to Tom Block's comment gets it ever-so-slightly wrong: better it read "Because he is convinced, as Kael was, that Kael's taste is, finally, correct." All the guy's ever done is sit around with his hands on the Ouija board trying to conjure up Pauline's response to whatever he's supposed to be writing and thinking about.
Posted by: Escher | November 02, 2011 at 12:08 AM
I think the best, most poignant, and hilarious part of this post is still that final reference to the title of Charley Taylor's NY Times DVD review piece. "New DVDs to Warm Your Toes By" pretty much says it all, doesn't it? (And I'm sure that was just an editor picking the title, not CT himself.)
However, I'd like to say that, as someone who finds his share of canonical works "boring" (not the right word, but whatever), I've never quite understood Antonioni being regarded as such. He's certainly, erm, deliberate in his stylistic approach, but there's also a certain Serie Noire sensibility at work in his films that usually keeps me riveted. You can actually watch an Antonioni film wondering what's going to happen next.
Posted by: Bilge | November 02, 2011 at 12:21 AM
So if we say Kois is wrong then that is bullying? But if Kois says Takovsky's films are boring then he is somehow being profound? What a crock.
The only thing I can say to Charles Taylor [and Kois] is there are snobs in the world of film viewing and they aren't the ones who like Tarkovsky or Antonioni. They are the ones who insist only mainstream Hollywood films should count. For the rest of us who like a wide variety of films from silent to experimental to old and new Hollywood to films from every country on the globe there is a lot to love. Kois will never understand that. His loss.
Posted by: MattL | November 02, 2011 at 12:38 AM
@ Escher: That's incredibly true. The Antonioni sneer doesn't seem felt, just a dutiful bow before the Kael canon. Hence the odd lengths certain Paulettes like Taylor went to find not just "redeeming qualities" in Mission To Mars, but outright greatness. That's the absolute WORST way to see a critic - not as someone with the time and knowledge to open up YOUR reading of the film via their work, but as someone who lays down unbreakable law.
I used to read Salon pretty regularly back when Taylor wrote there, and I liked a lot of his work, so don't get me wrong, but at his worst he was pretty bonkers. For example, his review of the decent-but-no-more Ray, which, he thought, could "bring the country together" in the way that Charles fused genres on the C&W record. Maybe it's just that I'm Australian, but the idea seemed....INSANE. But that was the other Taylor coming out, I suspect - the Greil Marcus worshipper.
Posted by: Adam R. | November 02, 2011 at 12:56 AM
It'd take the (former) Liberian tyrant Charles Taylor, backed up by a legion of amphetamine-fuelled, AK-47-toting child soldiers, to make me sit through 'Mission to Mars' again, I know that much.
Posted by: Oliver_C | November 02, 2011 at 05:50 AM
MISSION TO MARS would be pretty great if it had no dialogue in it. (Unfortunately, it does -- lots and lots of almost unspeakably awful dialogue.)
The key difference between many critics is that some of them consider this fact to be a tragedy, whereas others consider it to be Yet Another Sign of De Palma's Infallible Genius.
Posted by: Bilge | November 02, 2011 at 06:49 AM
"They understand that the true appreciation of any art begins in pleasure"
I was never a fan of Kael let alone Taylor. Yet, I'm always baffled when I hear this logic from critics. Why do we need critics if this is the case? Is their pleasure somehow deeper? Are they born with heightened abilities to feel more than the common man or woman? And of course, most " pleasure critics" never seem to realize how narrow and proscriptive their ideas of pleasure are. I mean surely there is something wrong with me personally for finding "The Turin Horse" more pleasurable than most films I've seen this year.
Poor unfeeling me thinks a critic should articulate taste based on aesthetic judgment grounded in historical knowledge. And perhaps my perspective is warped as a film academic, but I have zero interest in a critic who primarily explains away his/her pleasure even if, like Kael, their prose is good.
Posted by: ZS | November 02, 2011 at 12:13 PM