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August 19, 2010

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James Keepnews

No doubt you read Mike Newirth's essay on Algren in Vol. II, Issue #1 of our beloved and prodigally returned/beloved The Baffler. Chicago's premier prose psychogeographer -- the comparison to Joyce is very apt -- he certainly died unloved by that city (and just like Kerouac, on Long Island, of all indignities) and the post-Beat literary scene generally. Never did read The Man With The Golden Arm but that excerpt feels like it came more out of Burrough's Junkie than Preminger, much less anything else off the UA lot.

MovieMan0283

When I saw the topic I was going to mention Marilyn's essay, but I see that's what you had in mind all along. Is Preminger ever considered a "moral" director - not in terms of value judgements, but in terms of compassionate sympathy with his characters? I have to ask because there's too many of his films I've not seen (and those that do attempt this sort of identification/pity, like Bonjour tristesse, didn't really work for me). But when posing this question I always think of Anatomy of a Murder, which plays rape for yuks in a vaguely unsettling way which no one ever seems to comment on. Preminger, in my limited experience, strikes me as a filmmaker more interested in surface presentation (which has its virtues, don't get me wrong) than what's going on inside.

Tom Russell

I don't know if ANATOMY played the rape for "yuks". Certainly, the film is not without its moments of humour-- the delicate matter of what to call women's undergarments being a prime example-- and certainly pushed the envelope quite a bit, but I wouldn't put in the same camp as, say, the BILLY JACK car-by-the-lake scene (which definitely pays the attempted assault for laughs AT THE WOULD-BE VICTIM'S EXPENSE) and MOTHER, JUGS, AND SPEED.

My experience with Preminger is pretty limited as well, but those I've seen have never really lacked for sympathy or empathy in my opinion. ADVISE AND CONSENT oozes with empathy, I think, for both its former communist and its homosexual senator; it doesn't make villains out of either, but presents them as men compromised by, and regretting, their pasts.

Fuzzy Bastard

"It is not possible to read of Sparrow and not think of Arnold Stang. "

Put me in mind of HEART OF DARKNESS. I can read that novella and not picture Brando as Kurtz, or the narrator as Martin Sheen. But I cannot read about "the little Russian" and not picture Hopper (or at least Piglet-as-Hopper). One of the many cases where a Hollywood film gets the marginalia more right than the main text.

Glenn Kenny

MovieMan: I, too, am gonna have to take exception to the idea that "Anatomy" trivializes rape and/or plays it for "yuks." Yes, the sidebar discussion of what to call "panties" is one of the broadest bits in all of Preminger, but it's also one of the most self-reflexive, spoofing the prudishness of the Breen Office and nudging the audience a little. From that point on, the issues at hand are treated with the seriousness due them. (It may not be material to your perspective, MM, but the film's punchline—spoiler alert—could be said to cast doubt on the idea that there was even a rape in the first place.) Look at the film again (it's always worth revisiting) and get back to me. I really don't know where else in the film to look for what you're objecting to.

As for your other observations: yes, I think it was Andrew Sarris who spoke of Preminger and his camera as masters of objectivity. Fujiwara's reading of "Man" is somewhat at odds with that. Subject for further research, for sure.

joel_gordon

I'm not sure if the dialogue trivializes rape, but the camera's empathy for Remick certainly doesn't. In particular, her cross-examination brilliantly puts the viewer into a vulnerable, submissive position against Scott's prosecutor. The way that Scott knowingly blocks her view of Stewart, and the way that we, the viewer, can barely see Stewart pop up from behind Scott to make his objections, is deeply unsettling. Sarris is mostly right about Preminger, but there's nothing "objective" about that cross-examination at all.

Victor Morton

Idle thought ... would Lana Turner have worked in ANATOMY OF A MURDER, or would she have come across as too sexy?

Or to be more precise, would her iconography as a sex goddess tilted the issue of the wife's behavior and her husband's view of her into "overdetermined" territory. I think Lee Remick, who's more "girl next door"-looking but not unable to play up the lady of at-least-the-late-afternoon act, is the perfect balance.

Felix culpa.

jbryant

I think the film endorses the view of the Judge, who gives the court spectators a moment to get the giggles about the panties out of their system, because there's nothing funny about case.

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