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July 15, 2009

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Allen Belz

Colin was definitely the one that killed me (so to speak). Clueless is part of his thing, manipulative is another, but half-clueless in his manipulation, as if he's doing and saying all the stuff he's been told to say to make her go for him, so why isn't she going for him? Guyyyy! So perfect a specimen of the fella-hood of the time that he barely seems to be acting.

Allen Belz

Forgot to add that there does seem to be an undercurrent of actual humanity in him...that's interested in Carol, would honestly like to know more about her, and would even like to perhaps slough off his horrible buddies. But it's so hopelessly enmeshed in all the societal messages and pressures its actions and desires emerge on the surface all fucked-up.

Glenn Kenny

That's true, Allen. But he's also objectified her so thoroughly that he takes her genuine mental disturbance for hard-to-get coyness.

Allen Belz

Agreed, definitely...a product of those aforementioned messages and pressures. In ten years time he may've "progressed" to the "Women...such mysterious creatures" stage of objectivification.

Fabian W.

Glenn: So you think (SPOILER) that her father abused or raped her as a child? And that this is the root of her mental breakdown? Because that's what I thought, too, but couldn't find 'proof' anywhere...in German literature, at least. They just noted her 'empty stare' even as a girl.

Genn Kenny

@ F.W.: Let's say I consider that a reasonable surmise...

Fabian W.

@ Glenn: What else, right? They were probably just busy trying to find a reason to write about the Manson murders instead of the actual movie.

Campaspe

I actually think Rosemary's Baby has a great deal to say about the infantilization of women during pregnancy. When I was pregnant the last time, I was startled to find that it was the one movie that really GOT pregnancy and was willing to confront all the things that women hardly even admit to themselves--the fears that beset you, the feeling of being out of control, the way everybody pats you on the head and tells you it will be all right, the way you monitor every little physical manifestation. I was expecting you to name that one and not Tess, truth be told.

Repulsion, when I saw it, struck me as a not-terribly-interesting take on women's sexuality. WAIT -- before you boot me off the blog forever, let me say that you've convinced me I need to see it again and pay more attention to the male characters.

Campaspe

Come to think of it, this movie also makes an interesting pendant to the one being discussed just below ...

Sara

People tend to get sidetracked by Polanski's personal life when viewing his female characters. They throw the misogyny label around without really articulating what they mean. It's really nice to read an actual critique of his films from a somewhat feminist perspective. So, thank you! Polanski is my favorite filmmaker and I've always found his female characters, especially the central figures like Carole, Tess, Rosemary, and Paulina, to be authentic martyrs and/or survivors to their separate situations. Polanski puts all of his characters through hell, but his female characters are almost specifically created to show exactly what you said: "how a patriarchal society can crush women." I'm looking forward to buying Repulsion on blu-ray as soon as I can.

Glenn Kenny

@ Sara: Thanks, it's nice to know I'm not groping in the dark on this.

@ Campaspe: You'll have to try harder to get booted off this blog! I'm kicking myself for not including the great "Rosemary's Baby" in my consideration of Polanski's women, and I do look forward to learning of what you make of "Repulsion" when you revisit it. This thread has got me thinking that I ought to look into the power dynamics of "Knife In The Water" again...This is, when you get right down to it, one of the more fascinating topics in late-20th-century cinema!..

partisan

Ah, Polanski, the anti-Ford (much as James Cameron is the anti-Ozu). Claustrophobia, intimate betrayal, people doing the right thing and so not getting rewarded for it: you could say that "The Pianist" is his most generous version of community. After all, it's not Warsaw that's making Adrien Brody's life miserable. It's the fact that the city is being systematically obliterated throughout the movie that's his problem. And at the end, a whole concert hall full of Poles applauds him! Anyway, it's nice to know that someone likes "Tess." It's one of my favorite movies, though apparently no-one else's.

Allen Belz

As I recall, KITW was filled with plenty of thematic juice as well. Might have to rewatch that one again myself.

Allen Belz

OK, dammit, due to the price of the Blu-Ray being identical to the DVD and seeing that the prices of players are reaching reasonable levels I'm...yes, I'm making the switch. Of course it won't make that much difference at the moment as my TV's the same old one I've had for 10 or so years, but...

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